to work on this during the obama years, i started during the bush years but by the time i figured out how to do the screenplay it was already '07. and by the time i got to the first draft we were a few month as which from the election. the o 8ee election. and i have been work og on lincoln all through the first term of office. the president obama had. and you know, i consider myself a person of the left. and i have left impatience with the pace of change and i am aware that people suffer terribly while they're waiting for change to happen. the most vulnerable people suffer the most terribly. and i'm a gay man and i've been waiting a long time for, you know, fallen franchisement and i'm still not there. but watching this president and reading about that president, i really began to think long and hard about the processes of electoral democracy and the pace of change in an electoral democracy and what's possible, you know. they're not the same people by any means and the situation is not the same. t ihin you could say you could argue that barack obama faced in '08 a situation, you know, as

't skewed to either party. it helped george w. bush in 2000, but it could have helped kerry in 2004. obama could have have possibly people were predicted in september and october won the electoral college while losing the popular vote. so the current system right now isn't skud. there is one red joker there is one blue joker in the deck. they wop up-- pop up but it is not a stacked deck. both parties might favor it states have road tested the idea. it adds to equality. >> rose: erol warren where do you place him in the mant panth onof chief justices. >> there a chapter on him, he is up there inmy vew with john marshal. >> rose: perhaps the greatest. >> and that say controversial statement, it seems. i think he made one huge mistake and i'm this, i'm with the conservatives. i think the warren court let criminal defendants off on crummy technicallities unrelated to guilt or innocence. and that hasn't aged very well. the exclusionary rule. >> rose: right. >> but on the other five things that the warren court didn't. >> rose: you didn't like those rules. >> on that i am i'm to the right of jus

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